I don’t know how many of you have been following the Episcopalian church and its deepening schism over the past few years. (Yes, I will read just about anything in pursuit of procrastination.) I woke up this afternoon, turned on the computer, perused through my newsletters and came upon this article titled, Episcopals Split as Conservatives Form a New Group.
Now, I’ve been reading this stuff for a while. Apparently, some churches within the Episcopalian/Anglican community in North America have been getting too liberal for their more conservative comrades. Some groups already split in previous years over the ordination of women as priests or bishops, among other more liturgical matters. However, the straw that broke the camel's back was “the decision to ordain an openly gay bishop and to bless gay unions.”* This has spurred the dissenting forces within the North American Episcopal community into action, hence the formation of a new group, which will allow the more conservative North American dioceses, who would have preferred the authority of the more conservative African and Latin American bishops, to have their own, localized authority – in the form of a bishop from Pittsburgh, who will be the archbishop and primate of the Anglican Church of North America – and to breakaway from the authority of the Church of England and the Archbishop of Canterbury. (At least, that’s how I’ve understood things.)
If you know me at all, you will see the next bit coming a mile away.
What strikes me most about all this is that these people who have left to form their own group, have basically chosen to do so on the basis of being allowed to practice their discrimination and bigotry on their own, unchecked.
"We support this constitution as it reflects the very qualities that all of us . . . have hoped for in the new Anglican province -- biblically grounded, Christ-centered, mission-driven, outwardly focused, committed to evangelism and discipleship, and proudly Anglican," said Bishop Martyn Minns of the group Convocation of Anglicans in North America and a key player in creating the province.***
Don’t like gay people? Don’t think they deserve equal rights to the
rest of us? Are you as horrified
as we are at that they have the gall to participate in our hierarchy? Come split with us. Want to participate in the time-honored, age-old discrimination
of women? Don’t think women are equal enough to men in any way which allows them to be
priests or bishops? Come split with
us. We, like you, feel that treating certain members of society as second-class citizens should be officially sanctioned through our religion. Who's going to stop us? We can justify our views through our God
and our books, just like many other churches do. Furthermore, nobody can do a thing about it. We are excused for our views even admired for them - because we are a religious organization.
Told of this new Anglican entity, David C. Steinmetz, Amos Ragan Kearns professor of the history of Christianity at the Divinity School at Duke University said in a phone interview, “It’s really an unprecedented and momentous event,” that all of these dissident groups had agreed to bury their differences.**
So, let’s all join together to further the cause of discrimination against women and bigotry again gay people everywhere.
Tax-free.
Certainly a momentous event.
Humankind should be very pleased with itself.
The lengths to which some people will go…
Comments
You might have something to say about my latest post.
As much as I do not agree with the stand that many churches have taken in regards to both gay rights and women's rights and equality, we do have to accept that these churches do have a right to interpret the scripture as they see fit and therefore be free not to accept the equality of both women and lgbt people. It actually pains me greatly to say what I have just said, as it just seems so wrong to treat people in such a manner.
One of the arguments which churches state in regards to opposing gay marriage is that if the state allows it (and it should) then churches will be forced to conduct gay marriages against their will and against their interpretation of scripture (an interpretation which I believe is flawed). So we do have to be careful not to reinforce their arguments when we protest for equal rights. Also they are correct they cannot be forced to accept gay marriage or a heterosexual marriage conducted by a civil servant/celebrant or be made to accept divorce or accept women in the clergy. To enforce such action would be a violation of the separation of church and state. I also recognise that it does seem wrong that churches are able to get away with discrimination which is not allowed in work places and in other civil areas of life . Thankfully there is at least the option of leaving a particular church who has draconian views.
I think the best way to stand up to these church groups is to do it by reducing patronage of such churches and thereby starving them of finances. If your church is discriminating against you whether it be due to sexual orientation, gender or by some other means don't just sit there and take it. If you wish to remain part of the faith then let your church know you are not happy and if it is obvious there will not be any hope of change, then move to a more accepting church and the same goes if you are not happy with how your church is treating others.
It amazes me that there are women who just accept that their rank in their church is of a lower standing when compared to a man. I cannot believe that they accept that their loving Jesus would head a new religion which did not see women as equals, it flies completely in the face of what Jesus supposedly represented. Come on women think about it, as it does not make sense. It was men who put the Bible together and don't think that these men did not have an agenda when they chose the books which went into the Bible and don't think the actual scripture has not been altered either.
That is, I'd like to build my church upon this rock but for the next few millenium the rock will be too busy being thrown at anyone who isn't white enough and right enough for those who are not bright enough.
Yes, yes, I know I said I was giving you a commandment that you love one another as I have loved you. Ignore the bits that don't suit you, okay? Call hatred love; mouth platitudes even you don't believe in like 'love the sinner, hate the sin' while openly militating against anyone you don't like. Make sure you sit in judgment because me and Dad are a bit busy at the moment so you just go ahead and act like Lucifer. You may as well, you'll be joining him when you croak, fuckers.
we do have to accept that these churches do have a right to interpret the scripture as they see fit and therefore be free not to accept the equality of both women and lgbt people
hmmm - "accept" may not be the word here - but maybe i can use "accept" in this manner
if these churches see fit to interpret their scriptures in such a bigoted and prejudiced manner, then hopefully someday, they will "accept" the fact that i think they're horrid and despicable, and deserve none of my tolerance or respect - i'm through having to respect the views of these religious organization just because people think they all deserve respect just for being religion - nope, sorry - not happening any more - i cannot let them get away with such behavior - so, right here, i am saying - if they can't treat their fellow humans with decency and fairness, than all bets are off!
(and i know you mostly agree with me:)
Yeah accept it in that they have a right to have their opinion and I will politely accept their opinion, but I won't necessarily agree with it. However having said that, I will be throwing my support behind those who are prepared to have a rethink of their views in favour of a more accepting and a less discriminating viewpoint in respect to all civil rights issues.
I would also like to say I will not respect any one's opinion if it is one of hate and it causes harm to individuals or groups of our society. There is a limit to how accepting I am of people's opinions. No ideology whether it be religious or some other belief gets a free pass.
Believe it or not, I actually see this as a good sign. Rather than pretentious bigots being allowed to dictate church dogma, they have to leave the churchi n order to practive it. How many will actually leave? Fewer than you might think, I suspect. I think if you read what I have been reading on some religious blogs, you will ifnd that there are some people who are actually LOVINGLY religious. Who really do practice their true teachings of "Love they neighbour" that most religins nther unadulaterated forms preach. These people, too, are getting sick of the hypocrosy in theirorganised religions, but rather than leaving in disgust, they are changing their religious organisations from within! ASn dit's only the bigoted who donlt find that agood thing. These splinter actions will have a much smaller voice (unless they all unite, which of course would defeat the pupose of their elitist faction) in politics than the more benevolent churches which (hopefully) will remain. At least one can HOPE for this...Judging from what I have been observing, I see that as distinct possibility.
i agree with you, Patricia - it is the minority who are breaking off - and the remaining - and, actually, these congregations who are leaving will make things much easier for the Episcopal church in general - to promote women, and perform marriages for everyone
i think it's just the idea that people do splinter off for the express purposes of catering to their prejudices that gets me - and that these splinter groups do have some "big brother" congregations in other countries they can emulate - even to emulate the Catholic church - i think someone mentioned in one of the articles
i guess, lately, i've been reading some comments on articles on Prop. 8 and on the rights of gays to get married that totally disgust me - this whole issue just gives me a giant stomach ache
Must be confusing for the "elites" though. Once you split with one lot you then have to cast around for other differences and select another bunch of folk to disagree with.
Busy busy busy.
Now, I'm an agnostic heathen.
i was raised Catholic, then went to Methodist, Presbyterian and UCC - all before i was 17
i'm an atheist now - down with bigots - that Episcopalian branch is better off without them, yes